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I have a quick question anout syntax. I know that, when using ma

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Jun 01 2019, 12:00am CST ~ 4 years ago. 
I have a quick question anout syntax. I know that, when using many enclitics in one sentence, there is a certain order to be followed. I have mt little chart here.....but what I don't get is why the order changes in these two sentences:
Alam ko and
Hindi ko alam
...why is it not "Hindi alam ko"?
Thanks in advance!
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Jun 01 2019, 12:00am CST ~ 4 years ago. 
@JohnD @Wade
 
About "May kotse ako" and "Wala akong kotse". You'd notice that in the negative, "ako" became "akong". That's because "may" is used only as the abbreviated "mayroon". With "mayroon" and "wala" they become:
 
Mayroon akoNG kotse. = I have a car.
Wala akoNG kotse. = I don't have a car.
 
Why is there a "ng" at the end of "ako" or any other pronoun for that matter? It's because "mayroon" and "wala" function as modifiers when used with another word. Without the pronoun, those two sentences become:
 
Mayroon NA kotse. = MayrooNG kotse. = Has/There is a car.
Wala NA kotse. = WalaNG kotse. = No/There is no car.
 
The "ng" gets attached the pronoun instead should a pronoun come between the two words.
 
Mayroon ako NA kotse. = Mayroon akoNG kotse.
Wala ako NA kotse. = Wala akoNG kotse.
 
When "may" is used in place of "mayroon", we don't use a "na".
 
May kotse ako. = I have a car.
May kotse. = Has/There is a car.
 
You can't use "may" immediately before a pronoun though and neither can it stand alone. "May ako kotse" would be incorrect. And should you be asked if you have a car, and if you do, you may answer "Mayroon" (I have), but you can't say "May".
 
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Jun 01 2019, 12:00am CST ~ 4 years ago. 
@Tagamanila Yeah, that part I knew. I understand the linkers, it was just yhe syntax that wasbconfuaing to me, but, I think I get it now. Thank you!
 
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Jun 01 2019, 12:00am CST ~ 4 years ago. 
@Wade
 
When a verb is followed by a pronoun and you want to state it in the negative with "hindi", the pronoun should immediately follow "hindi". This does not have to happen when a proper noun follows the verb.
 
Alam mo ba? = Do/Did you know? => Hindi mo ba alam? = Don't/Didn't you know?
Natulog ako. = I slept => Hindi ako natulog. = I did not sleep.
Aalis sila. = They are leaving => Hindi sila aalis. = They are not leaving.
 
Alam ba ni John? = Does/Did John know? => Hindi ba alam ni John? = Doesn't/Didn't John know?
Natulog si Mary. = Mary slept. => Hindi natulog si Mary. = Mary did not sleep.
Aalis sila John at Mary. = John and Mary are leaving. => Hindi aalis sila John at Mary. = John and Mary are not leaving.
 
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Jun 01 2019, 12:00am CST ~ 4 years ago. 
@Wade
 
I should add that if you're also using "ba" with a proper name, it should come right after "hindi", ahead of the verb.
 
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Jun 01 2019, 12:00am CST ~ 4 years ago. 
Thank you very much! That is what Iwanted to know. That really makes it clear to me. Maraming salamat po!
 
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Jun 01 2019, 12:00am CST ~ 4 years ago. 
@Wade
 
You're welcome, Wade!
 
I made a tweak on my answer yesterday. I changed "does not happen" to "does not have to happen".
 
It is not wrong to say:
Hindi ba ni John alam?
Hindi si Mary natulog.
Hindi sila John at Mary aalis.
it's just that the word arrangements I gave earlier are usually how we would say them. Maybe that's because it's the verb that is being negated and the idea of the sentence might be easier to understand if the negation and the verb are closer to each other.
 
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Jun 01 2019, 12:00am CST ~ 4 years ago. 
If I am not mistaken, the same happens with wala.
May kotse ako but
Wala akong kotse.
 
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Jun 01 2019, 12:00am CST ~ 4 years ago. 
@JohnD Thank you.
 
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